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I didn't say Jack was going to think he screwed up? LOL Nah, I don't feel like anything in his relationship with Janet is sincere. I feel like it's all forced. Didn't he try to get back together with Carly right before he asked Janet to marry him?

Oh, NOW I get you. And I agree TOTALLY.

If Carly had behaved like this towards Jack, while desperately trying to marry someone else, he would have not only told her that she was a "s**rew up" but Jack would have also ANNOUNCED that she came on to him to her would-be Fiancé and to the whole world, humiliating her. He would have also threatened her with taking her kids away from her if she was going to be so unstable.

But isn't this how Jack ALWAYS behaves towards Carly? Isn't this in character for him? More on this below.

That just seemed like a mark of desperation to me. In fact, yesterday Jack scared me. He "looked" like a desperate man..his eyes were all wide or something.

I agree, again, totally. It is as if he is terrified of the hold Carly has, or his so-called "love" for Carly. At least, that is what I think he is afraid of, and I think that is why he is clinging to Janet so desperately, just as he did with Katie.

I like Janet and I enjoyed when she and Carly got along. I hate they way they are with each other now.

Again, I agree.

Why is Jack buying Janet's wedding dress anyway? I don't get that.

I don't either. Doesn't a bride or her family get her the wedding dress, and also the groom's wedding band? At least that is what all my friends did.

Besides, I doubt that it will be the dress she gets married in since we've seen it. I think either there will either be no wedding or she will have another dress.

We have? I must have missed that. Was this in a promotional video or something? Or, may be I just skipped it somehow - I don't remember this.

Hated Janet's attitude when Carly told her what Jack did with the money. If it was me, I would have gone straight to Fashions and said I didn't want the dress and found another.

I hate how they are ruining the otherwise sensible Janet's character with this twist in the SL.

The dress looked great on Janet, but it wasn't worth $5000.

Even if the dress was gorgeous, I expect the usually sensible Janet to know the price of a thing before she wants it, and buy only what she can pay for herself. However, TIIC always make any woman involved in any SL with Jack behave like a person with no self-esteem, eventually, don't they. Now it is Janet's turn to be degraded as a character.

Besides that, I don't see anything particularly as a "s**rew up" in what Jack is doing. I am curious to know what strikes you that way.

Seriously?? I think that is totally messed up and just wrong, especially since Jack is always about doing the right thing for his kids.

Sorry, I didn't make my meaning clear earlier. I CERTAINLY think that Jack taking Parker's college money to throw a "Dream Wedding for Janet" as totally wrong. What I said was Besides that,
(meaning, besides Jack taking Parker's college funds for this purpose) I don't see anything particularly as a "s**rew up" in what Jack is doing. Again, I did not make my meaning clear. to me, this is how Jack has always been: he is terrified of the emotional hold Carly has over him (from the days of Julia the First) and he always rushes headlong into stupid stuff, hurting Carly over and over again as well as any number of other people who come along. In other words, IMO, this is vintage Jack behaviour. So, given that this is how the character always behaves, I do not see anything right now as a particular "s**rew up" - IYKWIM.

Asking Carly for the check back when the money was going to his son's eduction is not right. JJ was the one who initiated the school thing and Jack is going to deny HIS son(the one he forced on Carly) the opportunity do something that would make him happy all because he wants to give Janet the wedding of her dreams?

Oh, I agree totally. That is exactly what I meant when I said "Besides that" - but I did not emphasize the phrase, so my meaning got lost.

The thing is though - I guess I expect so little goodness from Jack since the days of Julia Larabee that he seldom disappoints me. He, like Emily, is a character on which I have totally given up on when it comes to expecting the character "to do the right thing."

IF Carly wanted to do that he would chewed her up one side and down the other.

I agree, of course.

I hope Parker treats Jack the way he has been treating Carly.

I do not expect much of Parker either. Liberty will probably twist him around her little finger justifying why it is a much better use of his college funds to provide her Mom with a "Dream Wedding" than for Parker to have the money to go to college.

In any case, both Hal Munson's son and Carly's ex-husband are almost always totally disrespectful of Carly and the good she tries to do them in her own often misguided manner that I suppose that they will both somehow make this into Carly's fault somehow. I expect no less from them, since I never expect either of them to ever do the right thing. In this, I am seldom disappointed by Parker or Jack.

I like Julie, but as much as I've tried to convince myself that I like Janet, I really just wish she'd go away.

I like Julie, and I really do like Janet, especially after how she came through for her daughter through the entire counselling about birth-control SL. I really wish she was in a DIFFERENT story-line, with a different leading man and a totally different set of problems. Oh no, I don't want her gone - Julie Pinson is a very good actress. I wish Liberty was very far away though.

Also, why is Janet still living at Brad and Katie's?

Yeah, this I don't get at all. Is ATWT completely out of other sets?

I was very upset by what I saw in the previews for today, where Carly is BEGGING Jack all over again for 'one last dance before you marry someone else' - I wanted to kick that woman in her brain to restart it to say it correctly: ' one last dance before you marry someone else AGAIN.'

How many times does Jack have to marry someone else before Carly stops begging him for affection?

TIIC are making Carly so revolting that I may eventually stop caring about what happens to her as well.